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vohi
Forbidden Entrance
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:56 pm Posts: 1936 Location: Montana, Bulgaria
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Comparison
Well i didn`t want to flood the encoding topic so made a new one.
Maybe it will be good if someone is having hard time to compare rips.
here is 1 from me.
Witch do u think is better?!?
UnSeen vs C00ldude
Maybe I can bring the specs with AVInaptic if some more specialist joins in.
Its not visible like that but if you save the shots and switch them u can see there is a difference in the AR.
Thats why I ask.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:28 pm |
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Pure
Veggie Fridge
Joined: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:59 pm Posts: 21656 Location: Fuck You! GoodBye!
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IMO the top one. And i know most people will go for the sharper one. At least that's what i noticed with other screen comparisons.
Edit:
Oh yeah, i also moved this thread to FAQ / Newbie - the starting point section.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:01 pm |
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El Mariachi
buttfuckbullfrog
Joined: Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:35 am Posts: 10201 Location: On top of a turd
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Unseen cropped a bit more from the bottom, but is sharper picture.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:21 pm |
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elguaxo
End of Level Boss
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:10 pm Posts: 7535
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Trying to compare a whole encode based on a couple of screenshots (probably just keyframes' screenshots) is EXTREMELY inaccurate. The best method would be seeing/comparing a portion of the video, but this is time consuming and not very practical for a forum.
A couple of screenshots + a full DRF analysis (for example AVInaptic -> Statistics -> DRF analysis) is a bit better. Still not the same as comparing the real video, but much better than just screenshots.
And then of course each one has its own taste. I like a sharper picture, but if sharp means also macroblocks on many scenes, then I prefer the dull video rather than a sharp but blocky one.
A recent comparison that shows this problem:
The first picture comes from a better source, has more picture and is sharper. But the video has an Avg. DRF of 4.2 and the video of the 2nd pic has an Avg. DRF of 2.79. The video with the avg. DRF of 4.2 is a blockfest on all action scenes and for me that is bad.
Unseen is an experienced group. I am pretty sure the avg. DRF will be a good one, so I would probably go for the sharper Unseen encode.
Edit: BTW DRF=Detail Removal Factor, the smaller the better. For me anything above 3.6 starts to stink.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 4:44 pm |
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vohi
Forbidden Entrance
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:56 pm Posts: 1936 Location: Montana, Bulgaria
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Thank for the explanations elguaxo
But yeah watching videos to compare is hard time
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:36 pm |
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elguaxo
End of Level Boss
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:10 pm Posts: 7535
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vohi wrote: But yeah watching videos to compare is hard time
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:44 pm |
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vohi
Forbidden Entrance
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:56 pm Posts: 1936 Location: Montana, Bulgaria
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Here is the specs for the UnSeeN encode with the DRF Analysis
Code: [ About file ]
Name: Harry.Potter.and.the.Goblet.of.Fire.2005.DVDRip.XviD-UnSeeN.avi Date: 21/08/2007 15:35:09 Size: 2,346,522,624 bytes (2237.818 MB)
[ Generic info ]
Play duration: 02:30:38 (9038 s) Container type: AVI OpenDML indexes multi-chunks (*) Number of streams: 2 Type of stream nr. 0: video Type of stream nr. 1: audio Audio streams: 1 ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release) JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2540/release
[ About quality ]
Resolution: HIGH (720 x 304) Width: multiple of 16 (GOOD) Height: multiple of 16 (GOOD) Average DRF quality: HIGH (3.022164) Standard deviation quality: MEDIUM (0.987265) Std. dev. weighted mean: HIGH (0.228858)
[ Video track ]
FourCC: xvid/XVID Resolution: 720 x 304 Frame aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1) Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1 Display aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1) Framerate: 25 fps Number of frames: 225950 (210870) Stream size: 1,898,707,619 bytes Bitrate: 1680.644053 kbps Qf: 0.307135 Key frames: 2314 (0; 250; 500; 750; 1000; ... 225749) Null frames: 0 Min key int: 1 Max key int: 250 Avg key int: 97.644770 Delay: 0 ms
[ Audio track ]
Audio tag: 0x2000 (AC3) Bitrate: 384 kbps CBR Channels: 6 Sample rate: 48000 Hz Chunks: 225909 Stream size: 433,766,016 bytes Delay: 0 ms
[ About MPEG4 encoding ]
User data: DivX503b1393p User data: XviD0046 Packed bitstream: Yes QPel: No GMC: No Interlaced: No Aspect ratio: Square pixels Quant type: MPEG custom (*) Custom intra quant matrix: 8 8 9 11 12 17 18 24 8 9 11 12 17 18 24 25 9 10 13 16 19 23 25 30 10 14 16 19 23 26 30 31 14 15 19 22 26 29 31 35 15 20 22 26 29 32 35 36 20 21 27 28 33 34 36 37 21 27 28 33 34 36 37 38 Custom inter quant matrix: 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Number of frames: 225950 Drop/delay frames: 0 Corrupted frames: 0
I-VOPs: 2314 ( 1.024 %) P-VOPs: 115485 ( 51.111 %) ############# B-VOPs: 108150 ( 47.865 %) ############ S-VOPs: 0 ( 0.000 %) N-VOPs: 1 ( 0.000 %)
Max consecutive B-VOPs: 1
[ DRF analysis ]
Average DRF: 3.022164 Standard deviation: 0.987265 Max DRF: 5
DRF<2>5: 0 ( 0.000 %)
I-VOPs average DRF: 2.031114 I-VOPs std. deviation: 0.173628 I-VOPs max DRF: 3
P-VOPs average DRF: 2.107052 P-VOPs std. deviation: 0.311440 P-VOPs max DRF: 5
B-VOPs average DRF: 4.020545 B-VOPs std. deviation: 0.141857 B-VOPs max DRF: 5
This report was created by AVInaptic (10-04-2007) on 21 ago 2007, h 18:46:32
And here is the C00ldude`s Code: [ About file ]
Name: Harry.Potter.and.the.Goblet.of.Fire.2005.WS.DVDRip.XviD.AC3-C00LdUdE.avi Date: 21/08/2007 19:10:54 Size: 2,348,324,864 bytes (2239.537 MB)
[ Generic info ]
Play duration: 02:37:04 (9423.590256 s) Container type: AVI OpenDML indexes multi-chunks (*) Number of streams: 2 Type of stream nr. 0: video Type of stream nr. 1: audio Audio streams: 1 ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1 (build 2178/release) IAS1: English JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2178/release
[ About quality ]
Resolution: HIGH (720 x 304) Width: multiple of 16 (GOOD) Height: multiple of 16 (GOOD) Average DRF quality: HIGH (2.960095) Standard deviation quality: MEDIUM (0.999856) Std. dev. weighted mean: HIGH (0.018260)
[ Video track ]
FourCC: xvid/XVID Resolution: 720 x 304 Frame aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1) Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1 Display aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1) Framerate: 23.976 fps Number of frames: 225940 (210951) Stream size: 1,885,780,980 bytes Bitrate: 1600.902355 kbps Qf: 0.305057 Key frames: 2309 (0; 240; 480; 720; 960; ... 225820) Null frames: 0 Min key int: 1 Max key int: 240 Avg key int: 97.851883 Delay: 0 ms
[ Audio track ]
Audio tag: 0x2000 (AC3) Bitrate: 384 kbps CBR Channels: 6 Sample rate: 48000 Hz Chunks: 98162 Stream size: 452,331,024 bytes Delay: 0 ms
[ About MPEG4 encoding ]
User data: DivX503b1393p User data: XviD0040 Packed bitstream: Yes QPel: No GMC: No Interlaced: No Aspect ratio: Square pixels Quant type: MPEG custom (*) Custom intra quant matrix: 8 8 9 11 12 17 18 24 8 9 11 12 17 18 24 25 9 10 13 16 19 23 25 30 10 14 16 19 23 26 30 31 14 15 19 22 26 29 31 35 15 20 22 26 29 32 35 36 20 21 27 28 33 34 36 37 21 27 28 33 34 36 37 38 Custom inter quant matrix: 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Number of frames: 225940 Drop/delay frames: 0 Corrupted frames: 0
I-VOPs: 2309 ( 1.022 %) P-VOPs: 115187 ( 50.981 %) ############# B-VOPs: 108444 ( 47.997 %) ############ S-VOPs: 0 ( 0.000 %) N-VOPs: 1 ( 0.000 %)
Max consecutive B-VOPs: 1
[ DRF analysis ]
Average DRF: 3.009701 Standard deviation: 1.436555 Max DRF: 31
DRF<2>9: 559 ( 0.247 %)
I-VOPs average DRF: 2.037245 I-VOPs std. deviation: 0.803521 I-VOPs max DRF: 30
P-VOPs average DRF: 2.045170 P-VOPs std. deviation: 0.966272 P-VOPs max DRF: 31
B-VOPs average DRF: 4.054913 B-VOPs std. deviation: 1.092423 B-VOPs max DRF: 31
[ DRF analysis (corrected) ]
End credits time position: 02:36:30 (9390.223556 s) - ignored frames: 800
Average DRF: 2.960095 Standard deviation: 0.999856 Max DRF: 14
DRF<2>9: 2 ( 0.001 %)
I-VOPs average DRF: 2.013876 I-VOPs std. deviation: 0.301453 I-VOPs max DRF: 14
P-VOPs average DRF: 2 P-VOPs std. deviation: 0 P-VOPs max DRF: 2
B-VOPs average DRF: 4.000185 B-VOPs std. deviation: 0.031614 B-VOPs max DRF: 13
This report was created by AVInaptic (10-04-2007) on 21 ago 2007, h 19:18:04
I was goes going with the UnSeeNs one probably because they released the four movies like a pack, but I was curious about the encode because UnSeeN and C00ldude make one of the best rips I`ve seen.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:25 pm |
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elguaxo
End of Level Boss
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:10 pm Posts: 7535
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As expected both have great Avg. DRFs. If you like more sharpness, then keep the Unseen release.
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Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:41 pm |
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vohi
Forbidden Entrance
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:56 pm Posts: 1936 Location: Montana, Bulgaria
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Here is another rip I need more expert opinion
Here is the report for Underworld.Evolution.2006.BRRip.Xvid.AC3.PRoDJi.
Code: [ About file ]
Name: Underworld.Evolution.2006.BRRip.Xvid.AC3.PRoDJi.avi Date: 10/09/2007 01:50:17 Size: 2,343,241,728 bytes (2234.689 MB)
[ Generic info ]
Play duration: 01:42:03 (6122.84 s) Container type: AVI OpenDML indexes multi-chunks (*) Number of streams: 3 Type of stream nr. 0: video Type of stream nr. 1: audio Type of stream nr. 2: audio Audio streams: 2 ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1 (build 2066/release) JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2066/release
[ Relevant data ]
Resolution: 720 x 300 Width: multiple of 16 Height: multiple of 4 Average DRF: 3.798758 Standard deviation: 1.242929 Std. dev. weighted mean: 0.767156
[ Video track ]
FourCC: xvid/XVID Resolution: 720 x 300 Frame aspect ratio: 12:5 = 2.4 Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1 Display aspect ratio: 12:5 = 2.4 Framerate: 25 fps Number of frames: 153071 (136283) Stream size: 1,643,569,083 bytes Bitrate: 2147.459784 kbps Qf: 0.397677 Key frames: 2696 (0; 240; 404; 644; 884; ... 152977) Null frames: 0 Min key int: 1 Max key int: 240 Avg key int: 56.777077 Delay: 0 ms
[ Audio track nr. 1 ]
Audio tag: 0x2000 (AC3) Bitrate (container): 448 kbps CBR Channels (container): 5 Sample rate (container): 48000 Hz Chunks: 153060 Stream size: 342,879,040 bytes Delay: 0 ms
[ Audio track nr. 2 ]
Audio tag: 0x2000 (AC3) Bitrate (container): 448 kbps CBR Channels (container): 5 Sample rate (container): 48000 Hz Chunks: 153029 Stream size: 342,809,151 bytes Delay: 0 ms
[ About MPEG4 encoding ]
User data: XviD0046 Packed bitstream: No QPel: No GMC: No Interlaced: No Aspect ratio: Square pixels Quant type: MPEG custom (*) Custom intra quant matrix: 8 10 10 10 11 11 13 15 10 10 10 10 11 12 14 16 10 10 11 11 13 14 16 18 10 10 11 13 15 17 19 23 11 11 13 15 19 22 26 29 11 12 14 17 22 28 34 41 13 14 16 19 26 34 44 55 15 16 18 23 29 41 55 72 Custom inter quant matrix: 15 15 15 15 16 17 19 22 15 15 15 15 16 18 20 23 15 15 16 17 19 20 23 27 15 15 17 19 22 25 29 33 16 16 19 22 28 32 38 43 17 18 20 25 32 41 50 60 19 20 23 29 38 50 66 81 22 23 27 33 43 60 81 106 Number of frames: 153071 Drop/delay frames: 0 Corrupted frames: 0
I-VOPs: 2696 ( 1.761 %) P-VOPs: 80762 ( 52.761 %) ############# B-VOPs: 69607 ( 45.474 %) ########### S-VOPs: 0 ( 0.000 %) N-VOPs: 6 ( 0.004 %)
Max consecutive B-VOPs: 1
[ DRF analysis ]
Average DRF: 3.798758 Standard deviation: 1.242929 Max DRF: 8
DRF<2>8: 0 ( 0.000 %)
I-VOPs average DRF: 2.918026 I-VOPs std. deviation: 0.392286 I-VOPs max DRF: 5
P-VOPs average DRF: 2.916631 P-VOPs std. deviation: 0.638368 P-VOPs max DRF: 5
B-VOPs average DRF: 4.856365 B-VOPs std. deviation: 0.931102 B-VOPs max DRF: 8
This report was created by AVInaptic (09-09-2007) on 10 set 2007, h 01:55:38
And here is for Underworld.Evolution.2006.DVDRip.XviD.AC3-UnSeeN Code: [ About file ]
Name: Underworld.Evolution.2006.DVDRip.XviD.AC3-UnSeeN.avi Date: 10/09/2007 10:41:06 Size: 1,567,041,536 bytes (1494.447 MB)
[ Generic info ]
Play duration: 01:42:03 (6123 s) Container type: AVI OpenDML Number of streams: 2 Type of stream nr. 0: video Type of stream nr. 1: audio Audio streams: 1 ISFT: VirtualDubMod 1.5.10.2 (build 2540/release) JUNK: VirtualDubMod build 2540/release
[ Relevant data ]
Resolution: 688 x 288 Width: multiple of 16 Height: multiple of 32 Average DRF: 3.180588 Standard deviation: 1.460764 Std. dev. weighted mean: 1.167927
[ Video track ]
FourCC: xvid/XVID Resolution: 688 x 288 Frame aspect ratio: 43:18 = 2.388888 (~2.35:1) Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1 Display aspect ratio: 43:18 = 2.388888 (~2.35:1) Framerate: 25 fps Number of frames: 153075 Stream size: 1,218,862,603 bytes Bitrate: 1592.503809 kbps Qf: 0.321484 Key frames: 2632 (0; 250; 407; 657; 907; ... 152960) Null frames: 0 Min key int: 1 Max key int: 250 Avg key int: 58.159194 Delay: 0 ms
[ Audio track ]
Audio tag: 0x2000 (AC3) Bitrate (container): 448 kbps CBR Channels (container): 6 Sample rate (container): 48000 Hz Chunks: 63782 Stream size: 342,886,656 bytes Delay: 0 ms
[ About MPEG4 encoding ]
User data: XviD0041 Packed bitstream: No QPel: No GMC: No Interlaced: No Aspect ratio: Square pixels Quant type: MPEG custom (*) Custom intra quant matrix: 8 8 9 11 12 17 18 24 8 9 11 12 17 18 24 25 9 10 13 16 19 23 25 30 10 14 16 19 23 26 30 31 14 15 19 22 26 29 31 35 15 20 22 26 29 32 35 36 20 21 27 28 33 34 36 37 21 27 28 33 34 36 37 38 Custom inter quant matrix: 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 Number of frames: 153075 Drop/delay frames: 0 Corrupted frames: 0
I-VOPs: 2632 ( 1.719 %) P-VOPs: 89739 ( 58.624 %) ############### B-VOPs: 60264 ( 39.369 %) ########## S-VOPs: 0 ( 0.000 %) N-VOPs: 440 ( 0.287 %)
Max consecutive B-VOPs: 1
[ DRF analysis ]
Average DRF: 4.362963 Standard deviation: 5.199555 Max DRF: 31
DRF<2>9: 9377 ( 6.143 %) ##
I-VOPs average DRF: 2.907674 I-VOPs std. deviation: 1.569146 I-VOPs max DRF: 13
P-VOPs average DRF: 3.630851 P-VOPs std. deviation: 4.726703 P-VOPs max DRF: 25
B-VOPs average DRF: 5.516709 B-VOPs std. deviation: 5.733771 B-VOPs max DRF: 31
[ DRF analysis (corrected) ]
End credits time position: 01:36:09 (5768.96 s) - ignored frames: 8851
Average DRF: 3.180588 Standard deviation: 1.460764 Max DRF: 28
DRF<2>9: 709 ( 0.493 %)
I-VOPs average DRF: 2.804004 I-VOPs std. deviation: 1.288143 I-VOPs max DRF: 10
P-VOPs average DRF: 2.457460 P-VOPs std. deviation: 1.192589 P-VOPs max DRF: 21
B-VOPs average DRF: 4.255861 B-VOPs std. deviation: 1.126391 B-VOPs max DRF: 28
This report was created by AVInaptic (09-09-2007) on 10 set 2007, h 10:57:43
The down 2 shots are from the original posts
Actually I have always loved the UnSeeN rip but this one looks better.
Yes I has the bigger DRF but I don`t know so thats why I ask for you opinions
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:11 am |
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flyingsheepcannon
Sabrina the Witch
Joined: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:08 am Posts: 4354
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I agree, PRoDJi did do a better looking rip
but whats with that last frame?
Did UnSeeN get really lazy or something? Normally its not that bad
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:26 pm |
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vohi
Forbidden Entrance
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:56 pm Posts: 1936 Location: Montana, Bulgaria
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Yeah it is strange
Here I done some searching and find the frame of the last shot (maybe not exactly but around it).
And it doesn`t look "pale" like the one from they original post
Did they give wrong screenshots
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:43 pm |
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flyingsheepcannon
Sabrina the Witch
Joined: Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:08 am Posts: 4354
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maybe the person had the brightness/contrast cranked up on their VLC
they were probably
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:58 pm |
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imnew
banned anus
Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:12 pm Posts: 66
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prodji is makin very good rips
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Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:16 pm |
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