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Wanted to know some opinions about the following batsie ripsie. And especially the AR difference.

Comparison between willy_br and Vae:
willy_br is a 3cd sized version, which is about the same as mine which is 1/2 dvd sized.

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If you look close you can see some macroblocking on mine. Especially the last one.
This is cause of the source, this rip is from the r2 pal. More on this later.
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[ About file ]

Name: batsie_LUX-99_ts_1911808.avi
Date: 10/09/2007 12:40:00
Size: 1,962,436,250 bytes (1871.525 MB)

[ Generic info ]

Play duration: 02:14:17 (8057.32 s)
Container type: AVI OpenDML
Number of streams: 1
Type of stream nr. 0: video
Audio streams: 0

[ About quality ]

Resolution: HIGH (720 x 304)
Width: multiple of 16 (GOOD)
Height: multiple of 16 (GOOD)
Average DRF quality: HIGH (2.896208)
Standard deviation quality: HIGH (0.627206)
Std. dev. weighted mean: HIGH (0.484551)

[ Video track ]

FourCC: xvid/XVID
Resolution: 720 x 304
Frame aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1:1 = 1
Display aspect ratio: 45:19 = 2.368421 (~2.35:1)
Framerate: 25 fps
Number of frames: 201433
Stream size: 1,957,493,445 bytes
Bitrate: 1943.567781 kbps
Qf: 0.355184
Key frames: 3284 (0; 118; 353; 467; 474; ... 201395)
Null frames: 0
Min key int: 1
Max key int: 250
Avg key int: 61.337697
Delay: 0 ms

[ About MPEG4 encoding ]

User data: XviD0046
Packed bitstream: No
QPel: No
GMC: No
Interlaced: No
Aspect ratio: Square pixels
Quant type: MPEG custom (*)
Custom intra quant matrix:
      8  10  11  12  12  13  14  15
     10  11  12  13  13  15  15  16
     11  12  12  14  15  15  16  17
     12  13  14  15  15  16  17  18
     12  13  15  15  16  17  18  19
     13  15  15  16  17  18  19  19
     14  15  16  17  18  19  19  20
     15  16  17  18  19  19  20  20
Custom inter quant matrix:
     10  10  11  12  12  13  14  15
     10  11  12  13  14  14  15  16
     11  12  12  14  14  15  16  17
     12  13  14  14  15  16  17  18
     12  14  14  15  16  17  18  19
     13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20
     14  15  16  17  18  19  20  20
     15  16  17  18  19  20  20  20
Number of frames: 201433
Drop/delay frames: 0
Corrupted frames: 0

I-VOPs:   3284 (  1.630 %)                         
P-VOPs: 104244 ( 51.751 %) #############           
B-VOPs:  93904 ( 46.618 %) ############             
S-VOPs:      0 (  0.000 %)                         
N-VOPs:      1 (  0.000 %)                         

Max consecutive B-VOPs: 1

[ DRF analysis ]

Average DRF: 2.896208
Standard deviation: 0.627206
Max DRF: 5

DRF<2:      0 (  0.000 %)                         
DRF=2:  51154 ( 25.395 %) ######                   
DRF=3: 120036 ( 59.591 %) ###############         
DRF=4:  30237 ( 15.011 %) ####                     
DRF=5:      5 (  0.002 %)                         
DRF'>5:      0 (  0.000 %)                         

I-VOPs average DRF: 2.174786
I-VOPs std. deviation: 0.379784
I-VOPs max DRF: 3

P-VOPs average DRF: 2.538246
P-VOPs std. deviation: 0.504445
P-VOPs max DRF: 4

B-VOPs average DRF: 3.318814
B-VOPs std. deviation: 0.466131
B-VOPs max DRF: 5

This report was created by AVInaptic (10-04-2007) on 10 set 2007, h 13:20:37


As you can see the average drf is pretty low and shouldn't cause blocking like this (if I'm correct). So I took a closer look at the dvd.
The blocks are also present at the dvd AND this is something I've been seeing more and more.
Looks like a lot of PAL dvd's have blocking where the NTSC version doesn't, anyone else noticed this?
/me is pretty pissed really and might switch completely to ntsc dvd's cause of this crapfest.
Also had this with the Highlander Endgame R2 pal version. And several other discs.

I've also ordered the NTSC disc which should arrive sometime next week, I'll rip that one for the final afr.

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Will nobody comment?

lamers! :slap:

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:lol: I was just about to comment. I already read/saw a bit yesterday but the rum kicked in and my eyes started to fuck with me :lol:

Anyway looking at the screens i would say the second ones look a bit better at first sight. I didn't zoom in, just compared them eye to eye.

And i recall reading somewhere something about PAL being a bitch and people praising NTSC discs. For now i'm not making the switch yet, maybe later or maybe not at all :ele:
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ppf now you're just kissing up again :fight:

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:lol: I know what u like :ele:
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The second one is better, or at least sharper.
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Don't say that!! He'll think you'reonly saying that to please him :lol:
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Vae, your rip looks like crap! I hate you Vae!!! :bisou:

I've seen this PAL vs NTSC thing before. But the blocks don't look so bad in your rip. Have you tried a little MVDegrain2 love?

Something like this?

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source = last
deblocked = deblock_qed( quant1=20,quant2=24, aOff1=2,bOff1=4,aOff2=4,bOff2=8 )

backward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
backward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
MVDegrain2(source,backward_vec1,forward_vec1,backward_vec2,forward_vec2,thSAD=200, idx=2)
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I didn't comment, I already have the movie :D
poop, plap

anyway, I got some blocks in Way of the Dragon. Not too sure if those are the blocks you are talking about though.
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Yup, unfortunately most PAL dvd's suck. Bleh, most DVD's suck in general! Motherfuckers :die:

Anywayz try what elguaxo wrote, though if the NTSC disc doesn't have the blocky farts, I'd go with that one.

And now I go take a dump cause it seems I fucked up Hellbound again :ohja: :jerkit: :dump:
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Love you too honeybun :huge:

No, haven't tried mvdegrain2 yet.

So it would be something like:
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LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\fftw3dfilter\fft3dfilter.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\degrainmedian081\degrainmedian.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\masktools\masktools.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\masktools\mt_masktools.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\removegrain\RemoveGrainS.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\repair\RepairSSE2.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\mvtools-v1.6.2\mvtools.dll")
LoadPlugin("D:\progs\filters\dctfilter_25_dll_20030221\DctFilter.dll")
Import("D:\progs\plugins\SeeSaw.avs")
Import("D:\progs\plugins\dehalo.avs")
Import("D:\progs\plugins\Deblock_QED.avs")

mpeg2source("Z:\_batman\VTS_01_1.d2v")

crop(2,76,716,424)

spline36resize(720,304)

source = last
deblocked = deblock_qed( quant1=20,quant2=24, aOff1=2,bOff1=4,aOff2=4,bOff2=8 )

backward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
backward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
MVDegrain2(source,backward_vec1,forward_vec1,backward_vec2,forward_vec2,thSAD=200, idx=2)

a= last
b=a.degrainmedian(mode=5).FFT3DFilter(sigma=2.5,bt=4,plane=3)
SeeSaw(a,b, NRlimit=3, NRlimit2=4, Sstr=1.5, Slimit=1, Spower=2, soothes=60, soothet=60, Sdamplo=6, Szp=16)

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Or should I add it after the seesaw part?

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Yah like that, you don't wanna first sharpen the blocking ;) :cum: :cum: :cum:
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Yeah I thought so :)

/me should also look into the seesaw settings some more, this is still the same magic works always thingie I copied from lux :teeth:

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El Mariachi wrote:
I got some blocks in Way of the Dragon. Not too sure if those are the blocks you are talking about though.


These blocks:

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:teeth:

Dang, where'd ya find that one? I haven't used it with fft2d for ages :shy:

When starting I first go for this one:

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a= last

b=a.degrainmedian(mode=5)

SeeSaw(a,b, NRlimit=3, NRlimit2=4, Sstr=1.5, Slimit=1, Spower=2, soothet=70, Sdamplo=6, Szp=16)


I think :stupid: :clown:
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yep, nasty crap :grrr: :non: :sad:

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dunno somewhere between the wet stains of your couch would be close methinks.

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Vae Victis wrote:
So it would be something like:

Or should I add it after the seesaw part?


Interesting possibilities. After MVDegrain2 I think degrainmedian is useless. And since you have 4 cores you could change fft into this: FFT3DFilter(sigma=2.5,bt=4,plane=3, ncpu=4).

So you could try this:
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mpeg2source("Z:\_batman\VTS_01_1.d2v")

crop(2,76,716,424)

spline36resize(720,304)

source = last
deblocked = deblock_qed( quant1=20,quant2=24, aOff1=2,bOff1=4,aOff2=4,bOff2=8 )

backward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
backward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
MVDegrain2(source,backward_vec1,forward_vec1,backward_vec2,forward_vec2,thSAD=200, idx=2)

a= last
b=a.FFT3DFilter(sigma=2.5,bt=4,plane=3, ncpu=4)
SeeSaw(a,b, NRlimit=3, NRlimit2=4, Sstr=1.5, Slimit=1, Spower=2, soothes=60, soothet=60, Sdamplo=6, Szp=16)


or this:
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mpeg2source("Z:\_batman\VTS_01_1.d2v")

crop(2,76,716,424)

spline36resize(720,304)

source = last
deblocked = deblock_qed( quant1=20,quant2=24, aOff1=2,bOff1=4,aOff2=4,bOff2=8 )

backward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
backward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=true, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec1 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=1, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)
forward_vec2 = MVAnalyse(deblocked,isb=false, truemotion=true, chroma=true, delta=2, pel=2, blksize=8, overlap=4, sharp=1, idx=1)

a= last
b=a.MVDegrain2(source,backward_vec1,forward_vec1,backward_vec2,forward_vec2,thSAD=200, idx=2).FFT3DFilter(sigma=2.5,bt=4,plane=3, ncpu=4)
SeeSaw(a,b, NRlimit=3, NRlimit2=4, Sstr=1.5, Slimit=1, Spower=2, soothes=60, soothet=60, Sdamplo=6, Szp=16)
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Interesting, might give it a go after this one.
Currently 1.96 fps :aww:

But indeed 2 degrains is a bit too much. :lol:

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:aww:

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ncpu doesn't seem to work with my fft3dfilter, is there a newer version?

edit: ugh nevermind downloaded a newer version ^^

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Looking at the avs in vdub, results seem to be promising :P

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Mostly looks okey, but it lost too much information for my taste.
Like in some scenes whole hands etc.

Should have the ntsc really fast. and make an afr out of it.

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Aah just got the ntsc disc, gonna turd an afr out of it later today.
Should be ready for release tomorrow or this weekend.

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